Mohammed Ali is an extremely common Muslim name (far more so than ‘John Smith’ in the English speaking world): there are maybe 20 or 30 children of that name in my wife’s school. The former Cassius Clay was famous in western culture at the end of the C20th, but what’s teenage Nataliee expected to know about that? If you want to blame anyone for her ignorance, blame your media, that makes her think Muslim equates with terrorist.
Considering she was probably very young when 9/11 occurred, and that Mohammed Ali, while very famous, might not be someone who’s prescence permeates the world of a teenage girl, Is it really that hard to imagine she might confuse Mohammed Ali with Mohammed Atta, the leader of the Al Queda cell that hijacked the planes? Lighten up, people. Teenage girls aren’t known for thier knowledge of the current political scene, nor the history of heavyweight boxing, no matter how major these two players were in thier respected classifications
Fuck, in the age of the internet, ignorance and idiocy is no excuse, I seriously fucking despair that some people do not have the capacity to use Google. The likes of Rebecca should have their vaginas stapled and a lobotomy forthwith
That’s why it’s our duty to denigrate idiotic people like these, Paranoid. I totally understand that due to their ages, genders and lack of varied interests, these girls are blissfully ignorant of who Muhammad Ali is, but if they are typing a stupid question into Facebook, using a device that is capable of Googling the answer for them, then they deserve to be shamed. Mercilessly.
It shakes the foundations of my being that people don’t know who Muhammed Ali is. I tremble to think that these folks are unaware of the social impact he had. I’m quite agitated, and practically vibrating with anger that the Rumble in the Jungle has been relegated to “ancient history”.
@ Soup, bullshit, we’ve seen the interviews, half of these Americans thought your President was a terrorist and should be shot. Let’s be honest, it’s not just Natalie who is dumb as fuck. And mad2physicist, he wasn’t just a boxer…people SHOULD know who he was. He went to jail because he didn’t believe in war, the bloke was a fucking legend.
Oh, and at Cardinal, like fuck she knows who Mohammed Atta is. She was just being a damn racist assuming every man named Mohammed must be a terrorist. She’s a nasty fucking ignorant attention seeking whore – the likes of which we can damn well do without.
He WAS a cultural icon, WAS being the key word.
I mean why should people know who Elvis was? He was the Backstreet Boys of his day, only with shittier music, and then he got fat and died. Cassius Clay didn’t like his legal name and got in trouble for draft dodging (by the way, he wasn’t a pacifist; if he had been, he would have been exempted from the draft). Now I’m all in favour of draft dodging, personally, and I think this makes him much more important culturally and historically than Elvis (who did not dodge the draft), but not more important than the other brave men who stood up for their beliefs and dodged the draft.
Certainly kids should learn about the draft dodgers of the Vietnam era, but there’s no need to single out Cassius.
^fuck yeah, I’m with you, GNagus. How many rapes did Clay commit? Oh yeah, that’s right – NONE. It’s pretty obvious who the better man is, and who’s just a pathetic nancy-boy too weak to eat him some delicious ear.
Because he potentially sacrificed his boxing career for something he believed in. Not saying other, braver men shouldn’t be remembered, but he is amongst one of them that should. And elvis was NOTHING like the back street boys, don’t address me any more. You’re right about one thing though. We should forget about past important figures as they are no longer current, you know, Jesus..what an irrelevant prick he was.
You’re right, Elvis was nothing like the Backstreet Boys. They made MUCH better music than he did.
I didn’t say we should forget important lessons from the past. For example, that you should always check someone’s house to see if they’re playing with an Xbox or a stick before assuming they came back from the dead and slaughtering a witch in their name. But Cassius ‘potentially’ sacrificed his career (didn’t do so in fact) while others were fleeing the country, sacrificing their careers.
You deny that Cassius continued to have a boxing career including his most famous fight (probably the most famous boxing fight of all time) AFTER he ran away from the draft, while others had their careers and lives torn into pieces as they bravely attempted to dodge enslavement at the hands of the military-industrial complex? I believe history will contradict you there.
On an unrelated note, this is what I love about LB. Where else could you find a completely pointless and uncivil argument over the relative merits of Elvis and the Backstreet Boys being precipitated by a moron not knowing who Mohammed Ali is?