Damnit are we going to have some big debate now? Can we just settle it early and be happy?
Some people are racist, boo hoo. Not everyone in the south is, but some are. George Bush made mistakes but he did good things too, and everyone can admit that he was treated a little unfairly by the media. Please? Can we just leave it there? Just a straight middle of the road agreement. How bout it?
Oooh, racial tensions. After reading everyone must take a deep breath and decide whether defending George Bush is worth a rant kay? And Preston, breath buddy, I don’t think South Park is a good enough reason to let your racism fly off the handle.
im pissed about the south park thing also… these fucking crazy muslims (Not all, just the crazy ones) threatened the lives of the SP producures by saying that what they were doing was wrong and posting pics of the dutch guy that was murdered for depicting mohammad
yet another religion that claims its for peace trying to get it way with violence… fuck religion… you are all wrong
It does not surprise me at all to see my cousin on here. Although I didn’t realize she was such a bush supporter.
Well said word.
The first part of the South Park episode was not censored and the second one was not supposed to be. I was watching the second episode with the captions on and every time they would bleep his name but say it on the captions.Eventually they started to lag and then all of a sudden his name would show up as (bleep). That alone was pretty funny.
Okay I don’t want to get all serious here but the Muslims think that anyone that degrades, makes fun of and does not respect Muhammad is punishable by death. So that’s why they went after the South Park guys . Which of course was stupid as hell because that’s what south park does they make fun of people and religion etc.. So don’t watch it if you get easily offended.
The question I want to ask is why are terrorist even watching South Park???
As someone who’s worked in the restaurant business, from sandwich delivery to bars to upscale joints, I had the same experiences as Ryan. It wouldn’t matter how hard I busted my ass, black people never tipped.
Here’s what I’m still having a hard time comprehending….someone’s racist….who cares? Unless it’s having a direct effect on you in a manner where legally it can’t, who gives a shit? Nobody of any race/creed/color/religion/fill in the blank is owed anything in this country. And before you say “respect”, no, that is earned.
I hate gay black midgets with one leg who use Rascal Scooters and talk on iPhones. Deal with it.
Lamebook censored my comment last time, so I’ll make this short. Racism, is not, the same thing as, stereotypes. These are all stereotypes, like the title says, not racism, which some ignorant commentators are suggesting. It is not racist to say black people don’t tip, whether or not it is mostly true, or a little true. Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. A stereotype is a commonly held public belief about specific social groups, or types of individuals.
@Erniesduck123: actually, definitions of “racism” and “stereotype” are not mutually exclusive, as your rather ironic argument suggests (and consequently undermines the argument supporting your post). Something can be stereotypical *and* racist. Furthermore, saying that Black people don’t tip *is* racist (because tippers are seen as positive while those who don’t tip are derided, and because saying that clearly suggests that it *is* a racial trait).
Actually, you can stereotype and / or generalize a culture too. It doesn’t have to be racist. Ever heard a redneck joke?
I’d punch someone in the face for using a racial / ethnic slur, but cultural generalizations don’t much bother me, nor do jokes that are actually jokes. I’m a minority, and don’t get all butt-hurt about shit like that. It gives the concept too much power.
As for tipping, there are subsets of various cultures that just don’t tip, and you learn to recognize it if you wait tables for any amount of time. It’s not racist to make a rough generalization based on experience, if you are not marginalizing specific individuals. Just my 2 cents, having been on both sides of that situation.
@NEPHLIX, Just cause you think his argument ‘suggests’ (seriously, were you working on your dissertation there? sheesh) that racism and stereotypes are mutually exclusive, doesn’t mean it does. He means that a lot of people stereotype, but aren’t being racist. It doesn’t make it morally right to stereotype, but its true. Yeah a lot of racist people do stereotype, but that’s not the thing that makes them racist. So basically, stereotyping isn’t racism, but racists do stereotype sometimes.
@ Nort # 14:George Bush made mistakes like my puppy when he pissed on the floor. He had that look like “Oh shit! I just fucked up and I don’t know what to do! Should I run? Should I hide? Oh I know, I will just sit here like nothing ever happened.”
I laughted at Mark’s comment because i didn’t know what he was talking about at first and i thought he meant… you know. The fact that i don’t know what a “Cracker Barrel” is probably doesn’t help here either.
Russian Standard Vodka ftw, best taste for the buck.
MonkeyC, did you watch Braveheart before you had that dream? The first thing that popped into my head was that last scene of the movie where he’s being tortured when I read that, and then I imagined you doing it to said ex, creepy…. Are you sure you’re not violent?
As for the South Park thing, seriously… Buddha does rails for crying out loud, and Jesus is addicted to internet porn. Everything regarding Mohammed was censored for crying out loud, except where they mentioned his name in the beginning, but after that, even his name wasn’t spoken. Regardless, Preston sounds like an idiot with a very narrow point of view.
Don’t care about Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna or Jesus or the censorship. I LOVED the fact that they called Tom Cruise a Fudge Packer and then again said that there was “seaman” on his back. This all after Cruise gave them grief over depicting him as someone who “wouldn’t come of of the closet”. Respect.
It’s entirely possible your post was censored in order to keep the rest of us sane. Do most of us a favor – crack open a grade school grammar book and learn how to use a comma, for fuck’s sake. Your argument was already moronic before you threw a bunch of random commas into it.
In unrelated news, the hashbrown casserole at Cracker Barrel is fabulous.
Alright this is Prestón. i don’t know who took my status and put it on here, but i’m not racist or have anything vile against muslims. I have a problem with Jihadist because they are ridiculous and kill for no reason. I was pissed about censorship. Not at Muslims.
Now I might get quite a bit of rant for this but I’m up for it.. I’m a regular reader and a Muslim..
Firstly the reason why we don’t like anyone mocking/making fun/drawing Muhammad.. It isn’t as simple as “just don’t bother reading/watching it”.. The best and the closest example I can give is.. will you walk away if someone was making fun about your mom.. your sister.. saying crap about them or making nude (yet funny photos) of them?
We as Muslims believe in our religion and respect (and love) Muhammad. We don’t make fun of any other religion and expect the same in return.
Secondly, terrorists are NOT muslims! A muslim is not allowed to kill *any* innocent man/woman/child! Its that simple! They are brain washed in to believing whatever crap they are told.
And finally, if you really want to know about ‘al-qaida’ and ‘osama bin laden’, I’d recommend you start from 1980s when George Bush Sr struck a deal with Osama bin laden’s family (Bin Laden Group Ltd) to drill oil from Saudi wells. Also, do check why Osama Bin Laden had to go to USA to meet Bush Jr before heading to Afghanistan to fight USSR with weapons supplied by USA. USA isn’t fighting a war against terrorism, they are fighting a war against an army they created themselves!
You see that’s the thing. Yes we laugh at jokes about our mothers. It’s funny. It’s not serious. If someone tried to do something to my mother I would be mad but… jokes are just jokes man. How many funny cartoons are there about Jesus? There is the odd catholic that may get offended, but for the most part everyone understands that it is just a joke. And I assume that muslims are the same way, it must be a few people putting up a fuss about this and making them look bad, because it’s impossible that so many people can’t take a joke. it’s IMPOSSIBLE.
+Anyone who thinks that all persons of a certain creed or race are terrorists are very dense and insensitive. It is simply a stereotype. There are bad stereotypes about pretty much every different type of person, and they are often made into jokes, which are sometimes on television or movies. You just have to learn to take it all in stride. Getting overly offended and trying to sue or bring it to the media is basically highlighting whatever it was that offended you in the first place and making you look like a dumbass. I’m sure that not all muslims are flipping thier lids over a stupid cartoon. It’s probably just a few persons making them all look bad. I can’t possibly believe that an entire race of people can’t take a joke, so I am assuming that a few people are putting up a huge fuss about this and making them look bad as a whole.
It’s not that the cartoon/jokes aren’t offensive, because they are. But I bet a few people on here laugh at dead baby jokes. Look at the stuff we read on here everyday… we joke about EVERYTHING. So when someone calls me a FROG because I am french, I just laugh it off.
Aadi – Your reasoning is rather skewed. The mujahidin were VERY grateful for the weapons provided by the US during the 80′s. In fact, if if wasn’t for American support, Afghanistan probably would have remained under the Russian jackboot until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Without American weapons, how do you suppose the mujahidin would have been able to take down Russian helicopters? By shooting at them with their old rifles? Yeah, not likely.
Comparing jokes made about a deity with someone “making nude” with one’s sister or mother is absolutely off the mark. Try again.
Don’t act all uppity; Muslims are as likely to be prejudiced against other religions as any other group out there. I mean, haven’t Muslims been threatening to wipe Israel off the map for over 60 years? And tried to actually do it (and failed) at least twice (and that’s not counting Saddam’s attacks with Scud missiles during the Gulf War)?
You’re just not looking at this objectively. Bin Laden didn’t “have” to go to the US to secure military supply help from the US, but he sure as hell wanted to get the Russian out of Afghanistan and obviously did everything he could to secure help.
@Aadi: I understand you don’t like it when people insult Muhammad. But if somebody did anyway … what then? Should that be allowed? Unconditionally, or?
In Holland, a lot of people were disappointed that, after Mohammed Bouyeri had slaughtered Theo van Gogh, the Muslim community didn’t speak out against such violence en masse. In stead, many Muslims pointed at Van Gogh’s insults, saying that, although they would never be violent themselves, “Van Gogh had it coming”. Does that surprise you as much as it did me?
… aaaaand back to the usual FTW, first, lame, bla, bla
Agree with others (Especially Miss Shegas) who don’t necessarily think that Ryan was being racist. For example, as a south asian person who has waited tables, I can tell you for sure that other south asians RARELY tip well. It’s not being racist, it’s just an observation. Maybe Ryan’s right – I wouldn’t know, we don’t really have too many people of African descent where I’m at.
Now, as a Muslim. Most of you are intelligent enough to know that the Muslims making these threats are not even considered Muslims by the rest of us. They’re turds. But it’s not just the crazies who get offended, I’m sure many regular Muslims do too (they just don’t threaten to kill). I don’t know about the past, but maybe so many Muslims freak out because (ever since 9/11) they feel like that the majority of the world is already against them? I agree the reaction is too strong (and stupid), but, remember how anti-American the Russians were during the Cold War? It’s like that, but with Muslims. First it was witches, then commies, now Muslims. They may feel like they are the newest in the line of victims of western propaganda and need for a target to hate.
Personally, I’m not really offended, I mean, if I was, then I should be equally offended by all the slurs that non-monotheists or monotheists of other faiths make against Jesus (especially since he is considered one of Islam’s 25 prophets)! Freedom of speech, man. It only gets to you if you let it.
The_DreadLord: About your comment regarding ‘Muslims threatening to wipe Israel off the map for over 60 years’…Ugh. When ICRC, UN, and ICJ have all called on Israel on their (throughout time) various illegal maneuvers… Well, I don’t really need to say anymore on that.