#1 probably IS 12. That’s the result of 40+ years of teaching Sex Ed in schools and convincing children it is OK to be having wild sexual encounters in their pre-teen years. I saw the curriculum of my local grade school and frankly I’m glad that I do not have children in the public schools. Obama and his cohort of perverted Chicago political thugs want to force schools into teaching kids (not even in high school) about homosexual sex and how to use condoms.
Kids, of any age, don’t need to learn about those depravities. Even worse is that tax payer money is being used to teach them about “Adam and Steve”. We can’t have kids pray in schools but we can teach them how to have anal intercourse with same-sex partners. That’s the liberal vision of America. Get kids oversexed and pregnant, when they become single mothers or abandoned children use them as political tools to divert money from the wealthy to the poor ghetto inner cities. In turn, the poor ghetto residents turn out en masse to continue to elect liberal fascists like Clinton and Obama (and all their friends in Congress).
The older posters here will probably remember that the entire sex ed movement was based on a bunch of mostly debunked and fabricated research by Kinsey back in the 50′s. Do an internet search for “Dr. Judith Reisman” if you’re interested in knowing the truth about Kinsey’s lies and the liberal agenda to promote sex ed in schools.
I won’t post a rebuttal for him. I rather enjoyed what he had to say, and agree completely. I’m not American, but trust me when I say that the Sex Ed the kids here are taught may well be exactly the same. It’s a very unimpressive system and I dread the next 10 years as my daughter begins Grade 1 this year.
Dan, you absolute waste of skin, if anything it is the LACK of a comprehensive sex education that results in pregnancy and disease in young people as well as adults. When children aren’t taught properly (because of zealots like you) how to understand the turmoils of puberty, what their bodies are going through, and how to be sexually responsible is when we start having problems. It is a fact that people are going to have sex, it’s hard-wired into us, and no amount of Bible thumping or avoidant behavior is going to stop that. What we can do is to be honest with our children and give them the respect they deserve by arming them with the truth and with the ability to make smarter decisions.
I won’t even get into the gay stuff because that’s just plain fear and ignorance. No one’s going to stick a dick in your ass, Dan, not unless you want them to. Which you probably do.
msvernacular either didn’t get past fifth grade (which wouldn’t really explain the good language skills, mind you), else she would understand what Dan was actually getting at. Either that, or she was lucky enough to be in a school that had a well thought out Sex Ed system. Where I come from, it isn’t that spectacular, and comes very close to the system that Dan described.
@ dan fargis: judge not the negatives of the world, work to change them instead. not that you will, because you’re the retard flaming on lamebook like you’re on the high school debate team or something. we don’t need another rush limbaugh, glenn beck, george bush, or any other uptight judgmental hypocrite. live and let live, asshole. and if not… just die. you would just be another annoying fly swatted off the counter top of america.
What is he actually getting at? That we should just tell kids that sex is wrong, not give them any options on how to be responsible, and then act shocked when they turn up pregnant? That we should ignore the fact that homosexuality does, in fact, exist and just continue to breed more fear and hate born out of ignorance?
There is no good sex ed in this country, period, because debates like this rage on as weirdos keep trying to shelter their children from the reality of life. There is no liberal agenda that’s trying to somehow take people’s money away by teaching responsibility. A friend of mine went to parochial schools all of his life and didn’t know until he was twenty-two – TWENTY-TWO – how children are conceived. He understood that they came from sex, but no one even bothered to teach him the BIOLOGICAL process of fertilization. It’s astounding.
He is, by the by, one of the most perverted people I know.
@msvernacular – What’s your explanation for the rapid increase in unwanted pregnancies, abortions and STD’s since the 1950′s? Something is creating an atmosphere where children think it’s perfectly acceptable to have promiscuous sex. When I was growing up, it was more common than not for people to wait to lose their virginity (either until they got married or at least into the later parts of college). Now kids are in a rush to do these things, video tape it and send the pictures/videos to their friends on their phone or post it to the internet.
To deny that teenagers have become significantly more sexually active since the advent of sex end is absurd and frankly delusional.
If promiscuous sex was “hard wired” into us, how come we saw significantly fewer unwanted babies, STDs and abortions 50 years ago. Mind you, that was BEFORE there was easy access to the types of protection and birth control that we have now.
It’s a combination of kids knowing that there will be no punishment for having a kid at the age of 15 (either mommy/daddy or the tax payer will pay for the child or the abortion), there is no fear of losing one’s spot in heaven (as the liberals have undercut the religious history and nature of this country), there is no fear of stigma (as being promiscuous is often accepted in females and encouraged in men) and seemingly no respect for their bodies or the safety of their partners.
Lastly, spare me the “smarter decisions” nonsense. Having sex out of wedlock is never “smarter” than remaining abstinent. You can mock my religious beliefs all you want, but the fact is that accidents DO happen. Condoms and the Pill are only 99.7-99.8% effective. That’s not a “smart decision” when you are 14 years old. You can argue that there is nothing inherently immoral about sexual activity (which contradicts every teaching put forth by the Creator) but you certainly CANNOT argue that it is a smart decision.
How many lives have been ruined by an “oops!” moment getting someone pregnant or spreading herpes or HIV? How much of a social burden is it when we (as tax payers) have to pick up the tab for those kids? Now compare that to the number of lives ruined by abstinence. Compare the social cost of abstinence to that of the “sex messaging web cam” generation.
Maybe you’re not old enough to pay taxes. Maybe you don’t have kids. Either way, the prurient behavior of the younger generations shouldn’t be ignored or swept under the rug because “hey, giving oral sex at 14 is normal! having intercourse at 13 is going to happen anyway so instead of teaching you the virtues of abstinence, we’re going to hand you some condoms!”. We tried that with the Woodstock hippies and it has left us with a small army of homeless HIV infected or drug addicted 50 year olds mooching off the taxpayer.
@msvernacular, do you really think someone who really thought like Dan would spend everyday reading and posting on a site like this. Surely that would be a sin in itself.
I wonder if he is a member with another username too. He could even be having conversations with his self.
@fargisisatroll – How much sense would it make for someone interested in spreading the word of God and trying to talk sense into the liberal loonies to hang around right wing sites all the time?
Guess you’ve never seen anyone handing out “Save Your Soul” or similar type literature at rock concerts.
In fact, according to the Creator, NOT spreading the word of God is a sin (which you probably already know). It’s a bit difficult to spread the word if you surround yourself with virtuous and pious people.
Although I’ve never really appreciated the things that Dan has said over the months, some of it has even offended me (and I’m not easily offended), but the things he said here has made me open my eyes a bit more to the whole situation. The comments he made in his comment at #32 there got me wondering what kind of world I’m raising my own daughter in. I know the Sex Ed system I was exposed to in my Catholic school (which I spend my childhood years dreading) was very sub-par, but I hope the one my daughter is going to at her Public school will be more impressive.
Oh, and Dan, to answer your very first question there, about what our explanation is for the increase in teen/pre-teen intercourse, is the music and media. Music videos, TV (commercials, even), and especially the Internet have had a tremendous impact on that sort of thing. Will I disallow my daughter from watching TV or using the computer? I haven’t decided that yet, but probably not.
People are still hating over dan_fargis? He’s a troll… he’s not a christian orthodox or whatever he says he is… he just made his online persona to be this uptight dickwad who spurs out theological nonsense that have NOTHING to do with what the bible says. It’s obvious. Just chill… let the guy talk his shit and laugh with him… most of the shit he says is funny anyways.
I love how Fargis goes on and on about how liberals are the ones encouraging sex as teenagers/out of wedlock, but it was Palin’s daughter, yes, that’s right, a CONSERVATIVE’S daughter that was pregnant during the 2008 election. And you could bet that, had the Obama girls been around Bristol’s age, and one of them got pregnant during the campaign, conservatives would be all over it like a pack of dogs. Yet when it’s one of their own, it’s perfectly fine. Just sayin’
And yes, I do know Fargis is a troll. I wanted to comment anyways.
@Dragnorok – the liberal media is part of it. But consider this, many European countries have even more liberal media (when it comes to nudity and profanity on TV) and yet lower (much lower in a lot of cases) rates of unwanted pregnancies. In fact, Great Britain also has an ultra-liberal Sex Ed program (since the mid 1970′s if my memory serves me) and they have a much higher unwanted pregnancy rate than other industrialized European countries.
As it is, almost all of the free world has access to the internet and the filth on it and yet the USA is leading the way with teenage pregnancy rates.
Surely you don’t think the media and internet is significantly different in most European countries. Surely you don’t think those kids listen to significantly different music (perhaps they listen to less hip-hop and less country for sure)?
The biggest difference between the USA and the European countries with lower teen pregnancy rates is that our radical leftist politicians have convinced us that sex is cool, go have sex, lets teach 1st graders about anal sex etc. As a result, there is no restraint when kids see these things on TV or internet. They’re not able to resist the temptation because “hey the President says its ok!”
Promiscuity and homosexuality are a scourge on our society, and as long as our far-left leaders keep making it acceptable or even preferable we will continue to see our society fall into an abyss of immorality.
I never once said conservatives don’t get pregnant before marriage. Clearly they do. If you were able to read and comprehend (something they don’t teach in public schools anymore apparently) you’d know that my argument is that it is the sex ed programs instituted by the far left which has led to a society where kids of all races, all religions and all political beliefs think it’s ok to have sex at 13.
The reason it was “fine” (as you put it) was because Bristol clearly took responsibility for the baby (raising it in a stable, affluent home) and repented to Jesus for her sins. She has learned a lesson and is now (I believe) doing speaking engagements to encourage other children not to make the same awful decisions she did.
Dan, Bristol Palin is still banging Levi Johnston’s brains out whenever possible (see second engagement – I have November 10 in my office pool for the announcement of the third) while hypocritically telling other young people not to do the same thing. Such a fine example.
If it’s so damaging to expose children to sex education at an early age, I wonder why the countries with the lowest teenage pregnancy rates include Sweden and the Netherlands, both of which have teen pregnancy rates that are barely more than one tenth (!!!) of the US rate.
Red states lead the country in divorce rates and teen pregnancy.How’s that for family values? Its not education that is the problem but the lack of it. Too many conservatives and religious zealots look at education as a liberal plot to destroy the youth of America. Home schooling is the only way to go! All they need is the word of God. Idiots. And Dan, you can shove your bible up your tight ass, okay?
@Dan_Fargis. Hahahahahaha. Yeah right. Even If I believed it for a moment you are doing what you say you are your efforts would be better spent spreading the word of the “good” book in a positive manner, rather than condemning all those who do not meet your interpretation of it. Seriously go help the needy or teach Sunday school. Oh no you won’t because you greedily and sinfully enjoy being a big old troll. Lol. Have fun
I think I enjoyed Dan_Fargis better when he was saying we would all go to hell for checking this site and such. You know back when he acted like Western Baptist Church man.
Not much of a fan of this trying to make sense out of nonsense stuff. Talking about Kinsley and writing long ass speeches about how Sex Ed is bad and is probably the result of much frolicking and homosexuality. I vote he goes back to being the troll we cherished and found funny.
I can’t believe I’m going to get on on this, but I have a 13 year old daughter. ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG. It has nothing to do with the “liberal agenda”, the media or the church. The issue is that too many North American parents are selfish. They are too involved in their own personal agendas be it politics, religion, drugs etc. to take the time to give their kids the tools required to make informed intelligent and .. yes.. ethical decisions. These kids then think based on their parents actions that they should do whatever they feel like doing regardless of the consequences. Our children are being neglected and left to learn right from wrong on their own, and that never turns out well.
With all you lot raving on and deciding what’s what, have you thought that perhaps, just maybe, the girl in pic 1 isn’t underage?
She looks Phillipino or Thai to me, and they aren’t known for their great height or stature, and don’t age as visibly as westerners.
Also, it is very common in the Asias to give children very old school English names, such as Elva which was fairly common in the 30s.
Comments, bless you. I’m having some difficulty this morning. As you know, I had a lovely evening last night, but it has got me all emotional. The gift I received and the note that came with it has me very teary.
I’m attempting to contribute as usual today, but cut me some slack if I’m not up to scratch, ok, big boy.
As a bleeding heart liberal who also supports Obama’s “socialist agenda”, I am completely flummoxed at how the Christian Conservative/Religious Right gets their granny panties in such a twist over how “government” teaches sex ed…
Do they not teach it at home, as I do? I am my children’s first teacher… and their MAIN teacher. I provide their religious education via our church… I do not expect the government or the schools to do it. And as I also teach my children that there are cultural, political, and religious differences in the world (as opposed to keeping their minds closed and eyes blinded), they are prepared for messages supporting alternate choices and opinions. And they know how to do their own critical thinking and how to rely on the foundations of their teachings at home to (hopefully) make the choices that are right for them.
campbellconey, thanks for TRYING to talk me down… I did attempt restraint!
yes,playboy loves pictures of faces,she’s a shoe in
and i dont get the belly painting thing.a girl i know had winnie the pooh painted on hers when she was pregnant,it was the dumbest thing ive ever seen.and a soccer ball,thats has nothing to even do with babies,jesus….
rybart, 57, is on the right track. Teen pregnancy rates are a socio-economic issue. They are lower in more left-leaning, socialist countries because taxes are higher and there is basically a redistribution of wealth. This reduces some of the financial stresses placed on families in the lower end and therefore gives them more time together and strengthens family bonds.
It has to do with mommy and daddy being at work 9-5 then coming home and cooking dinner then being zoned out watching American Idol, instead of being there when the kids go to school and when they get home and helping with homework, etc.
@dan_fargis what a completely judgmental thing to say. i’ve seen the high school sex ed classes here and they don’t teach kids that it is OKAY to have “wild sexual adventures” or whatever. they teach kids about diseases and pregnancy. and that its better to use a condom if you’re going to have sex at all. because lets be honest, the majority of kids are going to have sex whether people want them to or not. that’s not the school’s fault, it’s the kids and irresponsibility. and really? what the hell does gay sex have to do with it? how many schools have you been to where they teach you how to have anal sex with other men? that must be one of your fantasies because schools here don’t teach anything near that. and don’t blame obama, it’s not like he;s making PSA’s saying, Hey kids! it’s okay to have sex! even gay! who cares about condoms, because i don’t?
You need to get your facts straight before you start making stupid remarks and blaming the president for this girl’s careless mistake.
Elva doesn’t look 12. She looks like a very petite woman. Her facial features are mature for 12. My roommate is tiny and would probably look even younger if she were posted in a pic pregnant with a blur over her eyes. She’s 26. Without a baby in her belly she weighs 100lbs give or take.(I’m not exaggerating. She just gained a size and is now a size 1.) When I first saw that pic I didn’t think ’12′ at all. Oh, and someone above stated that she uploaded the pic and the girl’s not 21 as well. So…all this discussion over the “12 year old girl” is just silly.
Dan, chill the fuck out.
the bible also tells you to love everyone. Homosexuals still fall into that ‘everyone’ category last I checked. as do these ‘promiscuous kids’. If a 13 year old girl gets pregnant i’m pretty sure it wasn’t Obama or Clinton (ok it could have been Clinton) who got the dumb bitch pregnant. it was her 14 year old boyfriend who thought a condom was an Aquaman glove.
I hope Alisha doesn’t really think she’d ever be in playboy. I mean she knows they don’t take hideous looking “women” right? Usually you have to be attractive and not look like a man. God, that thing is gross.