The first one bothers me. It’s not the actual status that bothers me, but something that was done incorrectly in that movie. I’ll tell you why.
The actual quote from the Bridge Of Khazad-dûm in The Fellowship of the Ring is, “You cannot pass!” It appears thrice, and never does “you shall not pass” appear. Why does this matter? First, “you shall not pass” is shitty grammar. Second, “you cannot” means “you do not have the ability to,” whereas “you shall not” is merely a statement about the occurrence of a future event, and says nothing about ability. Why am I ranting about this? Because I’m bored, and these posts are kind of lame.
What ever dude. I know her an she got like 85 likes for that status. I’m sure everyone else i just as pissed off as you about the fact that the movie wasn’t correct . . . but LOVE YOU ANNIE
Totally a Win all around!
Um, re-read my post. I wasn’t commenting on what Annie said. Then go and read pages 344-45 of the Fellowship of the Ring (Houghton Mifflin Company edition) if you don’t believe me. Annie might win, but the movie loses.
In that case, give Annie my sincere regards for coming up with a clever response to a difficult math exam. I’m sure it was quite awesome to see on facebook, especially for friends who took the same exam.
I thought some of these were pretty good. The Inigo Montoya one made me laugh, Gandalf makes me laugh, so does Chris with his collect all four.
At least these weren’t all lameassed penis jokes which is par for the course on this site.
and I have to agree with VJ. ANY long time reader should know about Ben and Steve. It is repetitively explained ad neauseum nearly every day. I’m sick to death of Ben and his pool and all the rest of that shit.
The movie doesn’t lose just cause it doesn’t directly quote every line in the book, which Tolkien wrote more than half a century ago, so Walsh, Jackson and Boyens made the diction more accessible, and a couple dozen oscars says they did a good job. Tolkien himself admitted that he wasn’t the best writer of dialogue and the strength of his legendarium is in the power and creativity of the story and its characters. You shall not pass is fine because they were trying to emphasise the prophetic nature of what Gandalf was saying and not his uber kung fu skills.
Sorry but I couldn’t resist part of my dissertation is on Tolkien.
That’s the lamest bunch of bullocks I’ve ever heard (and it’s not the first time I’ve seen somebody tell somebody else they “have no life” on the internet). Both of those posts took me less than five minutes to write out, with maybe a minute spent on the second one to recheck the novel to see if I was mistaken. Eleven minutes spent typing online (now this post makes sixteen) and I have no life? Yeah…um…you’re an idiot.
Points taken. My thoughts relate to more to the character of Gandalf than to quoting things exactly from the novel, though. He differs throughout the films differs in several seemingly small ways from the novel, but together, those small ways give us a completely different character. Take all of what you’ve read by Tolkien, and compare it to the character in the movies, and it just doesn’t add up. In this case, the “prophetic” nature of Gandalf’s statement IS the problem; by focusing on that, the filmmakers missed Gandalf as one of the Maiar, and missed that he was the Balrog’s equal. The entire scene leading up to the bridge plays into that, too. If you want to go through specifics, I can do that, but not now, because I have a life and am going out in a little bit. Honestly, I’ll probably forget about this later, so…
Sure, the films were good (I didn’t say otherwise). But they failed to capture some of the nuances of the novel, and to somebody who paid attention to the little brilliant things, the films aren’t nearly as good as they could have been.
The grammar isn’t really a matter of formality, but it’s also not that important. I was being an ass there. It’s an old grammar debate, in which some people say “you shall” is only correct when referring to more than one individual, and some people don’t care.
And with that, having spent twenty minutes of my life here and thus somehow proving that I have no life, I’m done.
Inigo Montoya is always win in my book. I can never look at Mandy Patinkin without quoting The Princess Bride. “I do not mean to pry, but you don’t by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?”
In response to your 3 lame things, 3 Lamebook questions:
1) Will dan_fargis tire of this place before he breaks character?
2) Do you think I am not here would hate fuck me?
3) When yoink finally reveals that he can actually write correct English, will it be entertaining or anti-climactic (oops, did I spoil the big surprise)?
I relee hate wen peepel type lyk dis so dat dey dunt haf 2 spel enyting korrect. Does it really take that much longer to spell correctly on a computer?! You look like a moron and I hope you are sterile!
Long time reader here, decided to throw my oar in about the Gandalf debate. I have read many, many books and the only one I haven’t finished is Lord of The Rings. I found the writing to be ponderous and tried to be incredibly detailed and descriptive but conveyed nothing to me at all. Before you say I have no imagination, I adored the Shanara books when I was younger, much younger.
I love the comments here and Yoink is my new fav, you are amazing buddy, keep me entertained daily please.
I also like Soup, eat, read, have strange, strange dreams about.. yeah Soup does it for me
1) (i can’t do the bold names thing) dan_fargis is not real
2) no, but he could summon gandalf to.
3) i’ve been toying with this one for ages. but if you knew england, and specific parts of it in particular that i’m thinking of, then perhaps you’d be a little more inclined to entertain the possibility that yoink is actually real (blows my mind too).
to quote some more, slightly less arcane rhetorature:
I am from Scotland (though not living there now) but why do you English always claim that the good things are yours? Yoink might be Scottish, he could be, we kinda talk a lot of shit in a haze of booze, it’s the cold you see.
I appreciate the sentiment, but full disclosure: I’m like a hearty beef barley. The beef, of course, being my huge pendulous cock, and the barley being all the small white pustules afflicting my entire pubic region.
In your dream tonight, it will be the four of clubs that the leprechaun pulls out of his butt after I pull him out of my butt. Taa daa!
1) He left plenty of clues as to his intentions, but he still managed to generate an impressive amount of misguided hate.
2) But there would be no anger. I’m almost certain he would try to caress me at some point.
3) I have no doubt that that dialect exists. I’ve seen it. But watching the intelligence slowly replace the faux-stupidity kind of negates the initial persona. Once the curtain is pulled, the wizard will remain exposed.
Look at it this way, alord. By playing the tambourine, your hands will never become gnarled like those of Keith Richards. You’ll be able to use them for more enjoyable endeavours… like running them all over me.
My wang might be huge, but it is prehensile. Like an elephant’s trunk. It gets out of the way when I’m shitting Irish. The blisters are just natural lube. Since I can’t get a woman wet on my own, I consider them evolution in action.
We will have to agree to disagree on the curious case of yoink. He’s already broke out the proper spelling of polysyllabic words, while absolutely mutilating words he was quoting from a previous post. It’s only a question of his willpower.
well anyway word – i think it’s important to groom me (i’m quite influential in certain circles) if you want to remain the female icon, the queen bee around here; katypants’ harem seems to be growing by the day….. i wouldn’t like to see your dynasty crumble into ruins.
Bad Bad Bird needs to have a show in Hull on December 18 – I will literally plunk down the $1000 or so to fly across the pond for Hull City v. Bristol City in the afternoon followed by a romantic dinner with yoink (and guest) followed by some awesome music. Gandalf commands it, and it shall be done!
word, at the moment it’s doing a fantastic job as a smokescreen for my ailing writing career. if i become your votary, such considerations will become academic.
at the moment we’re focusing on local promoters to see us and gives us slots higher and higher up as we don’t have any kind of following of note to date. putting it as my url link was pure whimsy, and also i thought to bring a smile to people at their office desks watching me and my mates prance around completely baked. perhaps it was also a subconscious rallying call to get more people to url link so i can be nosey about everyone. i would love to see a yoink website along the lines of ‘yoink’s handy tips’, or ‘the yoink meditations’. i think it could be quite lucrative. maybe i could get him to lay down some rap tracks to go over our music…
So ee has been drinking ALOT this evening and hasn’t bothered to read all 76 wonderful comments, but I would like to state that the Princess Bride is a wonderful flick. That is all. Oh, and Fred Savage as a youngster rocks, but he never grew (literally, so his later life was spent look up to the spot light.) poor Fred.
Not being into the Lord of the Rings is alright. It doesn’t mean you’re unimaginative, it just means you couldn’t get into it for some reason or another. There are things about it that are inherently well done because of good writing, but if you can’t get around to reading it, those don’t really matter. I agree, Shannara is awesome.
Can we get to know each other first? Give it a few months…or a week or two, at least?
Well this one time I got home from the beach and of course came on here first but then I proceed to the shower. So as normal people do I get undressed get into the shower close the curtain and realize I am not naked and I left my glasses on.
Yup it has been a long day and it is really not that funny.
Hey ee! And amen to the Princess Bride, but the problem with that one is Mandy Patinkin. I can only ever see him as that character, I just couldn’t get past it when he was in Chicago Hope or that Criminal Minds show. That happens with some actors. Case in point, Sir Anthony Hopkins. He will be Hannibal to the day he dies.
Agreed teo, and seeing as though it’s been a bit of a love fest today, I’ll thrown in that I enjoy your comments, and love your link. I must away myself, spruce up, sober up, and get ready for my evening. See you soon.
The Lamest thing on this page is the fact that ‘Greenstrings’ wrote part of their dissertation on Tolkien. What was the other part? The Hardy Boys novels? Did you do a queer theory reading, comparing the lack of female protagonism in each? Sheeesh…
“The actual quote from the Bridge Of Khazad-dûm in The Fellowship of the Ring is, “You cannot pass!” It appears thrice, and never does “you shall not pass” appear. Why does this matter? First, “you shall not pass” is shitty grammar. Second, “you cannot” means “you do not have the ability to,” whereas “you shall not” is merely a statement about the occurrence of a future event, and says nothing about ability. Why am I ranting about this? Because I’m bored, and these posts are kind of lame.”
I’m a linguistics student, so I’m gonna pick some holes in this because I’m ill, I’m obscenely grouchy, and I can. “Shall” when used in the second or third person is NOT bad grammar and is NOT merely a statement about the occurrence of a future event. It carries a sense of determination and command – if Gandalf says ‘you shall not pass’, then he really means ‘you will not pass because I won’t let you’ or something along those lines.
It is actually considered to be quite rude to say ‘you shall’, as it is seen as an order. This is why careful speakers/writers differentiate between ‘I shall/you will’.
Rude? Yes. Bad grammar? No. Merely a statement? No.
It is a well-worded and powerful war cry. Well, to the right people anyway.
Dud, if your gonna insult someone for doing a small part of their dissertation on Tolkien’s contribution to philology at least have the decency to know that Tolkien did a lot more than writing 4 books about elves n shit. What I wrote had nothing to do with my dissertation and if anything your lame for considering what is a worthy academic pursuit to be lame…