Yeah the argument is not whether or not he existed, but whether or not he was the Son of God. Historical evidence places him as a real dude with real world changing impact. Whether he was the Son of God, a liar, or a mad man, however, no one knows and bets have been open since about 30 AD on which one it was.
Just remember, there’s no need for a flame war here boys and girls. No one is trying to convert anyone…..there’s plenty of room for all of us.
I’m not trying to convert anyone, and don’t really care what Wikipedia says, but ency’s may not realize the inaccuracy of their quote. Since Muslims & Christians make up nearly 60% of the world population (23% Muslim and 33% Christian at last count), MOST people not only believe Jesus was real, but also believe he was in some manner divine – either a prophet or the Son of God…
RE: “jesus christ is still top of the list of famous fictional jews, and considering most people believe he is fictional, it should probably stay like that”
guyin: “there is proof that Jesus existed…Census takers in Rome described him as a troublemaker.”
Ha! Sir, you will need to back that up, because there has never been discovered a shred of contemporary evidence (from his time) for Jesus Christ. The earliest writings that mention him were decades after his death.
Don’t get me me wrong, someone at that time certainly did travel around starting a new sect of Judaism (Paul of Tarsus turned it into a religion ABOUT Christ called Christianity), but his name wasn’t Jesus (it’s a mistranslation of Yeshua, so you should be calling him Joshua).
But don’t say there is proof and mention census takers. You are making that up or repeating from someone who made it up. If you know of any contemporary evidence for Christ, it’d be extremely valuable to a lot of people. There’s not a legitimate historian or theologian who claims that any is known to exist.
@ no. 14, you came here to write that? what the fuck? on an irrelevant note, anyone else always get the advert at the bottom of the page for the freaky picture of the lass with the wierd piercing where you can see her teeth? if that real? if thhis has come up before….fuck you all
Hymie from the Power of One, Fagin, Fiddler on the Roof and half of the characters in Seinfeld came to mind, but I’m happy to have been reminded of Magneto, Dr Zoidberg and Andrea Zuckerman from 90210. ‘Twas worth the trip.
Fagin is famous, being Dickens and all.
Fiddler on the Roof is not a character.
Bryce Courtney is not Dickens.
Dr Zoidberg is also famous because Futurama.
Jerry Seinfeld makes my skin crawl.
In a perfect world, soulless horrors like 90210 and it’s ilk would be mercifully sponged from our memories – much like it’s actors have been.
ok. Magneto. didn’t know he was a yid. Do now.