I mean, it probably isn’t fully racist, or even largely racist. I know a lot of people who have nothing against black people would still clarify… and that’s odd. Because I (and probably you) know a crap-load of people who don’t hate black people, don’t think black people are different to white people, but would still clarify ‘this black guy’ but just say ‘this guy’ when talking about a white guy.
And before anyone calls me a hypocrite… bah. Take out every time I used the word ‘black’ in this comment and then try to make sense of it
People are going to jump all over my ass over this, but since they’re wrong I’ll say it anyway:
We say “the black guy” because being black is still a differentiating feature in Western countries.
If you were in Africa you’d be a dumbass to say “that black guy”, because in all fairness they’ll mostly all black. You’d say “that guy”. And if you’re referring to a white guy, he’ll be called “that white guy”.
And now I await the rain of hatred from all the PCfags…
I made a conscious effort to stop qualifying the race of whoever I was talking about and I found that black people would ask me if I was referring to a white or a black person. Just an informal social experiment on my part.
@Wednesday There is a novel called Apex Hides the Hurt, and the author (who is Black) only identifies the race of the Anglos, thus making African American the default ethnicity of every other character. How many books by White authors do the same thing (in reverse)?
And yes, all the little black girls can be so cruel, can’t they?
heisenberg – Hey, they could mind their own business. Then again, that’s not what kids do. I wasn’t seriously complaining about little black girls being mean. Kind of pointing out that freaking everyone identifies by race. I still think it’s messed.
Zoned’s course of action is pretty much a good one for every encounter.
sorry if this has already been said, but maybe he said black guy becoz he cant do anything about it becoz the if he hits him the black will hit back A LOT harder, therefore he is scared of him. his saying it so people know he cant do anything about it.
Way to imply the black guy is all big and intimidating with zero reference to anything but race. Couldn’t possibly be a gentle, loving soul who’s way better than that “Mike” freak. He’s probably only calling the man grungy because his girlfriend left him… for him. Yea.
If I was a guy, and I just lost my girlfriend to a black guy, I would think:
“Darnit.. he’s black even! As if I didn’t have enough penis size issues already!”
That’s what I think he meant by mentioning the race, and that’s actually what I always think if people say “And he was black!” They’re telling me that the guy probably is well hung. Yes that is stereotyping.. But I don’t really think any black guy would mind that one.
@WhyNot: thanks for the clarification. I was obviously wrong about the motivation being racist. It’s about penis size.
@yourinevitable: I did think you were kidding, and no, I don’t think white people are the only ones who do it. None of this changes my point though.
and a preemptive @WhyNot: ah, you were joking too, I see.
and @ …
I think Heisenberg has hit the nail on the head. We say black guy or white guy because it is a differentiating characteristic, and because it is one that matters to us.
We don’t say this blue eyed guy, or brown eyed guy when telling a story because no one gives a shit. It has no relevance to any story unless the story is about eye color.
When we DO denote race it is because we DO give a shit about the color of one’s skin. Who gives a shit if Mike’s GF slept with a black guy, white guy or Asian? Isn’t the key point that she slept with someone else? By throwing race in there, Mike IS in fact saying that her sleeping with a black guy is worse than sleeping with a white guy. Why? Because he’s RACIST!Duh!
And I would be remiss if I didn’t take Makster’s bait. Makster, you are full of shit. “We say “the black guy” because being black is still a differentiating feature in Western countries” = you are full of shit. PCfags = you are full of shit.
All I wanna say is that I absolutely HATE being called “that white girl.” It feels so demeaning. So I try so hard not to clarify “black guy” or “black girl” but it’s difficult to break. Damn the south.
I get called white boy now and then. I always think: well, yeah. Is this the best you can do? I have SO much more wrong with me than just being White. And poop, identifying people’s ethnicity/skin color is not always inappropriate, it’s just a matter of knowing why we are doing it.
Is there an award for most pompous poster? I may just have a shot.
I, personally, call white people white, and black people black. Maybe ’cause I’ve got one of each as parents.
If I saw some sketchy white guy on the street, I’d say “Hey, I think I almost got raped by a sketchy white guy.”
If I saw some grungy black guy on the street, I’d say “Hey, my girlfriend just left me for a grungy black guy.”
Maybe it is racism, but at least it’s equal for both races.
Makster: I think that kind of makes sense. It’s just something funny I noticed that, if you take full notice of it like we did, you could try and claim it as really racist (‘is it worse that he’s black, then?’), but if you just hear it in normal conversation, it’s just a common way people say it, with no nastiness or hate implied.
@Lizzie: Actually, race does refer to ‘black’ and ‘white’ and other colorisms like that because there is no scientific definition of what a race actually is. Technically, race is a social concept, not a biological one; there is extensive literature on this.
I guess every ones gf should cheat on them with a different race,
eventually the whole world would turn beige and problem solved..
Maybe Mike’s gf just might be on to something here..
I’m black by the way..not that it matters but I thought I’d just throw that in there for good measure.
I heard sometime in France, some Nurse got a huge fine because the Doctor asked her who was the next patient, and it was the ‘garçon noir’. He was the only black guy in the room, and she did it in a non-hateful way. Doctor still got her charged for it.
I guess she could of went by his shirt colour, but still, that seems crazy extreme to me.