this ain’t lame. This is in Berlin and the whole point of the monoument is to have fun there. The idea is to bring joy there instead of the torture that was holocoust. So Brooke and the guy are doing nothing wrong…
this is not lame. as long as there aren’t any grieving visitors nearby, it is perfectly respectful to interact with the memorial in this way and is actually encouraged. there are some great photographic series online of people (especially children) playing on this memorial. it is meant to symbolize life going on. brooke and daniel, you got it right.
From Wikipedia: “Nowhere inside the memorial, or around it, does it say what it commemorates. Some think that this is a deliberate attempt to encourage visitors to reach their own conclusions”
If it’s to reach your own conclusions, then people can interpret it anyway they see fit. This would be horrible at something like the Holocaust museum in Washington DC, and while I think it’s slightly inappropriate to do in here as well, I don’t think it’s as horrible as people are making it out to be. Makes these guys look ignorant as hell though.
I agree with the above – if she was dancing at Auschwitz, or on the grave of a Holocaust victim, it would be disrespectful, here it’s just slightly ignorant. Much as I’d like to believe that they’re stupid Americans, it seems more likely to me that they’re Aussies. I was in Berlin last week, and the place was full of them.
“According to Eisenman’s project text, the stelae are designed to produce an uneasy, confusing atmosphere, and the whole sculpture aims to represent a supposedly ordered system that has lost touch with human reason. A 2005 copy of the Foundation for the Memorial’s official English tourist pamphlet, however, states that the design represents a radical approach to the traditional concept of a memorial, partly because Eisenman did not use any symbolism.”
After reading that, I want to see this memorial for myself but I don’t find myself wanting to dance around on it like an attention whore.
My Grandmother barely escaped the holocaust. She was in a concentration camp and was so close to the gas chambers she could see inside the glass window and see the bodies. Anyone else can think what they want but this is disrespectful to me. It’s as bad as dancing on my grandmothers grave and makes me think Brooke and Co are ignorant to what those memorials stand for. Would they do this anywhere else? 911 Ground Zero Memorial? The various War Memorials around the world?
Not disrespectful?! It’s a memorial. Doesn’t matter if you are supposed to make your own conclusions about it. You wouldn’t dance around Flanders Fields or play hide and seek at Ground Zero. You are supposed to pay respect and think about why that memorial had to be put there.
From the official website:
“The following is not permitted: – Loud noise of any kind, calling or shouting in a loud voice and the like, the playing of musical instruments on the grounds or the use of radios or audio devices except for personal individual listening, – Camping in the Field of Stelae, climbing onto the stelae, jumping from one stele to the next, sunbathing on top of a stele in a bathing suit, – Bringing dogs onto the grounds, – Bringing bicycles, skateboards, roller-blades, roller skates and similar equipment, – Parking of bicycles, motorbikes or motorcycles directly adjacent to the stelae on the outer rim of the field, – Consumption of alcoholic beverages or to barbecue. – Throwing litter or leaving any other refuse or dirt on the grounds.”
You don’t really expect dipwads like this to perceive any rules, do you? They probably thought history was a drag and have a vague memory of a boring class on the Holocaust at whatever lame ass fake college they went to but didn’t graduate from.
“Springtime for hitler and germany
Deutschland is happy and gay
We’re marching to a faster pace
Here comes the master race”
@Mishkin: “Make out at Flanders Fields” That’s funny.
I peed at Sand Creek and made out at Gettysburg. That may have been a little disrespectful? I only peed a little though and my dick is pretty small.
@gr_on23 It’s private property. Rules like that are everywhere in order avoid lawsuits. I’m actually surprised that the rules are not stricter than what they are. Would you want someone skating on your property knowing that if they hurt themselves in anyway they could sue you for millions?
To quote the creator of the memorial “I want it to be a part of ordinary, daily life. People who have walked by say it’s very unassuming… I like to think that people will use it for shortcuts, as an everyday experience, not as a holy place.”
Based on those two facts I see nothing wrong with what they are doing
@ Mishkin – I am running screaming for the hills… you will not receive any spanking on your lame ass… The possibility is far greater for me to smack you upside your head, as I would smack those to disrespecting fiends trampling all over the holocaust monument. *sigh*
So, out of all of the people making huffy comments about this, who has actually been there? As far as i know, this sort of activity is not uncommon. BUT i haven’t been there, so I’m only going on friends’ experiences, articles I’ve read. Go figure.
MTPetey and Bipolarbear,
I completely agree with you.
I might ask though, how do you guy know that they didn’t show their respects while being there?
Please, enlighten me on how this picture should have been taken?
I wouldn’t be offended if people were doing this at Ground Zero.
People go into memorials all the time taking weird pictures, and then paying their respect. As for this photograph, I do see it as a little harmless fun to lighten the mood which some of you need to learn how to do and pull whatever brick you have out of your ass.
If you take offense to this photograph… fine. Just don’t sit here and trash other memorials, you hypocrites. That’s about as bad as what you think they are doing, or better yet, worse.
They should put up a sign saying “Smiling Verboten”. Then we should open special camps, where disrespectful people like Mel Brooks, Lenny Bruce, and Johnny Rotten can be sent to learn proper behavior!
god save the queen!
she ain’t no human bein!
ahaha I conquer 64. The sign should really say ‘We’re two disrespectful douches who think that taking smiling pictures at a holocaust memorial is our idea of a good time. You can also tell that we don’t get out much and have no regard for world news.’
(: I’m sure their one track minds could have figured out how to get that all on one piece of paper.
I don’t actually have any problem with taking personal pictures doing whatever you want. There doesn’t seem to be anyone around in these pictures to offend. What does seem to be the offense is a) posting it on Facebook, perhaps with the mistaken feeling that the privacy features offer any; b) the helpful “friend” that submitted it here; and then c) Lamebook posting it. So let’s just expand the circle of offending by taking it from perhaps a small group of friends and posting it publicly.
Sure, your pictures of you naked with your cow might deserve that. But perhaps not this. Perhaps Lamebook didn’t get the memo that it may still be too soon to joke about the Holocaust.
:/ I would think that, knowing that the monument is a tribute to the Holocaust victims; one would act in a more sombre and demure manner. We will feel the reverberations of the Holocaust for as many years as we remember it- I don’t think it’s ever appropriate to make light of it really.
My relatives were also German jews, who had to escape, come over to England and change their names. But I think this is all fine, good luck to them. We should celebrate that we’ve learned from the past, not just cry over it for all time.
But my point is, you’re not the only one with a back story, get over yourself.
@MTPetey – I get that those are just “official” rules, but my point was that I highly doubt anyone is actually *encouraging* behavior like that. Saying he expects people to use it for “shortcuts” and “everyday experiences” is very different than saying he wants people to be running and jumping all over it.
I don’t have a particular opinion on whether what they did was right or wrong because I don’t know nearly enough about the place to say what is normal and what isn’t… in fact, I would totally understand why the creator would want the emphasis to be on life and on living instead of on horror and death. But to say that this type of behavior is encouraged is, perhaps, and exaggeration. That’s all.
Knowing the historical background of the monument and the effect it’s supposed to have on someone visiting it, I don’t think they grasped the meaning and concept of it at all. That said, it should also be mentioned that they are by far not the only ones to “have fun” there and supposedly “interpret it their own way”, it happens all the time. Anyone who thinks that’s the point of it though, should seriously get properly informed cause that’s complete nonsense. It’s wrong, yes, but it also means a lack of awareness generally. Ignorance is the right word for their behaviour.
i realize this has been posted ages ago but still. this is a monument to the Holocaust victims, they would prefer people being free and enjoying life. sorta like when you talk to peoples headstones in a grave yard sometimes no one goes to see them :S
In high school I’ve made a thesis on how both prison, work and death camps were operated during Nazi regime. Last summer I’ve visited some of these camps and Berlin with a group of student friends. After visiting the Jewish Museum with it’s impressive Garden of Exile we headed for the Holocaust Monument during the evening.
The atmosphere there was quite pleasant with people jumping and lounging on the concrete blocks. We actually had a discussion if it would be acceptable to join their activity. Our reasoning was straightforward: Monument or not, the structure is practically engineered for this purpose and located right in the buzzing city center. The Garden of Exile gives you a downcast feeling, but these huge stepping stones will draw out the little kid. So up we went.
Security staff is OK with it as long as you stay off the tall stelae: A 2 meter drop can be lethal and killing people isn’t what a holocaust monument is supposed to do.