If I had to guess, and you may flame me for this, but a lot of this is fake. Im pretty surprised most of you believe it, however the fact that 90% of the posters here are from the UK I cant blame you for believing it.
I seriously hate when people act like this. Just because you’re in the United States, doesn’t mean you should have to learn a specific language. The U.S. doesn’t have a set language! Yes, I do agree that learning a specific language for the country that you’re in can be helpful, but no one should be forced to learn it. And I hate when people say, “We speak American”. No, American, is not a language! Sorry for my ranting.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting people who have come to live in our country to learn the language that is primarily spoken here.
If I moved to Italy, I would undertake to learn Italian. I wouldn’t go to a store and whine b/c the owner couldn’t understand English. 50 years ago it would have been expected that the IMMIGRANT would learn the primary language. Now in America, it’s completely reversed, and English-speakers are told that knowing only English isn’t good enough. Which is true. But giving a free pass to the ESL speaker isn’t good enough either.
It’s just as much an obligation that Americans learn other languages as it is the immigrant to learn English.
OMG…like, a couple of dumb college kids on Facebook TOTALLY proves that EVERYONE who believes in preserving American English as our county’s language is an uneducated moron.
Since when is it “bigoted” to expect immigrants to at least get a functional grasp on their new county’s language? If I moved to Germany, I’d learn German–I wouldn’t consider myself entitled to have all Germans learn American English. Because it was I who chose to immigrate–they didn’t ask me to come–why should they have to take any responsibility for MY decision? Same applies to any immigrants to the US–if you chose to come here, great, but it’s your responsibility to learn to function in our society, not ours to “host” you.
@stan exactly my thoughts! When I call a business I want to be able to understand what the person on the other end is saying, when I order at Mcdonalds I want to be able to understand the cashier. I have no problem with immigrants but they need to learn English, it is our primary language.
In Canada we have two official languages, english and french. Both are required learning in schools, (even though the french is not real french but Quebec french?). I must admit it’s really annoying when you can’t understand people like doctors, nurses, waiters, baristas, mechanics, and so on. Really annoying when you have to keep requesting a new customer service rep over the phone even though you sat through a list of so many languages to wait on the line for english. If I moved to another country to live you can bet your damn ass that I would learn their language, learn their culture, learn everything I could to become one of them. I would not expect them to change anything for me.
When in Rome…
Most immigrants do learn English after they come here. However, there is no reason why they should not be able to have conversations in their native language. THAT’S the bigoted part. I live in DC and I hear foreign languages spoken EVERY DAY by people who can have a conversation in fluent, though accented, English.
Fuck you Loretta – I know of no minority group demanding americans speak a furrin’ language like Spanish. But you might want to consider it – you’re ilk will be a minority in the US in a generation. Only a teabagger would consider it good thing to know just one language.
Fucking teabaggers want to preserve the English Language? What a fucking joke. Morons can’t even spell their protest signs correctly in this country.
Those fucking people represent the most ignorant in our society. The basest of the base.
My fucking apologies to the thinking people on this board.
@eman – fuck you too, while I’m at it. Better tell all those American Corporations to stop shipping jobs overseas in the name of Free Market.
We all know that this is a no win situation, right? Yes speak English when requesting information, etc. But who fecking cares if people speak their language to each other? I totally would do it if I could. See? I used fecking, I think the Brits are rubbing of on me. AMIRITE? When “they” start making us sing the Star Spangled Banner is Spanish, then talk to me, other then that, GET OVER IT. This country was based on immigration. BTW last June I went to Mexico, and guess what? There were a lot more people there that could understand and help ME, then couldn’t. I don’t speak more then a dozen words of Spanish, and not once was anyone rude to me, or tell me I should learn their language if I want to be there. A little role reversal for you if you will. I love America, hate the American sense of fucking entitlement.
AG, sadly, I think your statistic is a tad bit high. There is stupid all. over. the place. I had to delete a couple of people off of my facebook because I could no longer stand their completely ignorant comments on politics that were so closed-minded it made me to beat my head against the monitor screen.
And then there are my teenage cousins. Oi. If I hAv 2 ReD 1 mUr CoMmEnT RitTn LyK dIs AyL sKrEm.
@Apolitical – I understand when I call a company that out sources, it’s when you call a company that isn’t out sourced and you can’t speak to the first couple reps because either they can’t speak english, or their accent is to hard to understand, that’s where one of my pet peeves lie. I don’t think it’s asking to much that the people in charge of the immigration procedure follow it. It actually states in the Canadian Immigration code that all new immigrants must be tested and pass both a written and oral english test. When my family immigrated here all those years ago (I’m third generation) they learned the language, understood the laws, understood the over all culture, and only maintained our native tongue when inside the home.
No, their not.
If it has the exact same grammar and exact same words than I’d say it’s the same language. Pronunciation is the only noticeable difference but it’s not enough to say that they are different languages.
smoke a fag has nothing to do with the matter of discussion here, that goes under popular culture differences. You can find them in England itself between the south and north for example, but it’s still the same language.
@Loretta, it may not be bigoted if you go to a country that has an official language. If someone is immigrating to the United States, where there is no official language, and is forced to learn a language, that is bigoted. Yes, if I happened to move to another country, I would try to learn the language. I would do so only because I feel it would help me and I wouldn’t want to be an annoyance to someone else. It’s also bigoted to state, “This is America, We speak english”. No, we do not. The United States, has many different languages. We are a giant melting pot of language and culture. Saying that an immigrant; which is what this country is found on, immigration; is just dumb. If you would go to Germany, I doubt that there is going to be groups of people that are yelling, “This is Germany, Speak German”. That is why there are so many ignorant people in this freaking country and I’m tired of it.
Ah I’m glad it’s not just Aussies having this debate. You want to see serious Aussie intolerance? Check out the FB groups “Fuck off We Are Full”, “Australia love it or leave it” and the cause “AUSTRALIA, Respect Our Flag. Speak English.. Love It or Leave It…”
@ apolitical Wow I need to come here more often because the fucks are free! and yes really that kind of language only shows how uncultured a person is, used in moderation to get a point across is one thing but you use it like whore.
You know, the other day I was wondering what happened to the ‘Lamester of the Day’. And I thought, maybe they should have a Lamebook Hero of the Day. Or… you know what, fuck that. Danny and Angelo are awesome. Anyone got a link to that page? Love to see the replies.
Loretta, dear, no one said those who would preserve American English are ‘uneducated morons’–though they might well say ‘undereducated morons.’ Does it really bother you so greatly that some try to provide services in languages that someone else might best understand? Are you upset that others might say something you don’t comprehend–are Hispanic children obliged to have fun in English, is a French parent obliged to speak English to his or her daughter because you might overhear the conversation, is a newly-arrived emigree expected to torture the language like Sarah Palin? Are you frustrated in your eavesdropping, dear? BTW, try telling the people of Puerto Rico and American Samoa, even Hawaiians and native Alaskans, that only English will do.
I live in Europe and see a lot of yankee tourists … Most of them order in ENGLISH , one lady even told me that she was surprised at the sup standard english in the middle of the Italian countryside .. the Nerve.
Then again we go to the states on holiday and guess what … we HAVE to speak English to get around.
I agree with Father Sha, I also live in Europe and whenever I meet tourists from US they cannot speak any other language than English…what is more, they are always complaining if somebody does not understand what they are saying :/
I’m afraid that some americans create those dumb groups just because they are too stupid to learn any other language. that’s sad.
@ OvoOno: British English and American English actually do have quite a few significant differences, thanks to a person called Noah Webster. He was an American who decided to change a bunch of rules for no reason other than to differentiate Americans from British people.
P.S. I counted five syntax/grammar/spelling mistakes in your post. Good on you!
of course, there are some differences between British and American English, but from the linguistic point of view, we can talk about two separate languages when they are not mutually intelligible. It’s obvious that they are intelligible, thus American English is not a language but only a dialect of English.
so I’m sorry dear Americans, but you don’t have your own language.
Well said, pannap. Actually, American English is a series of dialects – not just one – which in turn falls under the heading of English language.
While “the US” has no official language, many of the individual states do. Over half of them, actually. However, I don’t consider “official language” an excuse for not learning a second language.
Any American who goes to a foreign country and gets mad that they don’t know English should be punched in the face.
But these FB groups are created not because of tourists, but because of immigrants who have moved permanently to the United States. American tourists in Spain who gripe about no one knowing English? Morons. Mexican immigrants in U.S. who gripe about no one knowing Spanish? Morons. It is the responsibility of the tourist and immigrant to immerse themselves in the language and culture of the new country.
All I’m saying is the Japanese immigrant who shops at my store regularly can’t speak a word of English…yet. He’s learning, and he doesn’t expect me to learn Japanese to help him. Nevertheless, I am trying to learn some nice phrases in Japanese to help him make the transition easier.
Stansel , your last paragraph is an example of the way people should treat eachother.
And i agree with the rest of your comment, the only thing i like to add is the fact that the poster of the first picture is probably not as humane in his intentions.
Your (intentional spellingerror) on our land so do not disrespect us by talking your own language. That means they loathe the fact that amongst themselves they speak their own language.
Off topic : the same lady that complained about the lack of English also told me that to get real italian pizza’s you should go to New York … in the middle of an italian restaurant. So i won’t take her as an example of all americans.
The irony of these groups and their members’ grasp of the English language is constantly amusing to me.
At least we can all agree that these people are probably courteous enough to learn foreign languages when they travel overseas.
@Loretta and eman – It takes 5-6 years to learn how to speak a new language fluently. People don’t learn how to speak a new language over night, and some people have language impairments that make language acquisition more time consuming, laborious, and challenging. This means that many, some would say most, of those irritating immigrants of which you speak are trying the best they can to learn how to speak English. If you’re going to have an opinion try to have a more informed opinion.
Also, English is not a native language. Learn to speak Algonquin or GTFO. If you live in Texas or California, learn to speak Spanish or GTFO – both of those states were once part of Mexico.
@Apolitical – Come check out STFU, Conservatives. I like your style. I also like the word “fuck.”
@Apolitical: Oh, no, I love when there’s actually a decent discussion on here, rather than just a load of people swearing and being racist, it’s just that the argument on these language posts is always the same one. But it’s alright, so long as it prevents another Lamebook comments page filled with tools, I’m fine with it.
@IVB – When you buy tv in the US – we force you to read the instructions in Spanish.
@Father Sha and pannap – You had better believe it’s those same folks who insist on “English Only” here in the US. She’s not a typical American – She *is* a typical conservative. On LB there was a photo of the Shrub with his feet on the Presidential desk. New photo of Obama in that exact same position and conservatives are outraged at the lack of respect he shows. Ethnocentric hypocrites, all of them.
@stan – you’ve got that completely backwards. Hispanic groups have never insisted the the US learn Spanish to accommodate immigrants. That fallacy is obscene.
@ pixie – thanks and done. Try Wonkette. They are, in a word, brilliant. And also, too, the comments section. ‘Fuck’ is in the dictionary. ‘You Betcha’ isn’t.
@ Mr. Hobo – Noted. We’ve got Bible Spice running our country/political process over a cliff. Well, what’s left of it after the Shrub was in office. Have pity. Smiley face.
I love the people who hate on “bigots” and then proceed to bash Americans- irony much?
As a resident of New York City, I am perfectly okay with people speaking to their friends & family in their native tongue; in fact, there are over 170 languages spoken here.
Things that are NOT okay:
My boyfriend is of Malaysian descent, and speaks fluent Chinese. His mother can SPEAK English, but refuses to. She pretends not to in order to avoid jury duty, dealing with people, etc. She will speak only Chinese in front of me, and I am never included in the conversation- which, as you can imagine, makes things very uncomfortable.
When you purchase an iPod, a tv, or a camera, how many languages do the instructions come in? When you ride the subway to work, how many advertisements are in different languages?
I understand that English is one of, if not the most difficult language to learn. However, it is the most widely spoken. If you are to migrate to a new country, I don’t think it’s asking too much to learn the native language.
Are you kiddin me? English is one of the easiest languages to learn; why do you think so many people know how to speak it? If you think English is hard, try learning German with all the rules!
I am European, but I live in the U.S.A. and I agree that immigrants need to learn English so that they can better themselves and get more opportunities, but at the same time, some people just have difficulties and don’t even bother. And why would Mexicans ever want to learn English in the first place when everything is provided to them in Spanish anyways? Duh! If I was them, I sure wouldn’t bother.
One more thing, there is nothing wrong with immigrants speaking their own language. I speak my own, and some others as well whenever I want to, and if anyone told me I couldn’t, I’d do it on purpose!
Nobody gives a good godamn if you people wanna whine about what language is spoken where. The language of the world is money. If a business is going to make more money because they hire people who speak more than one language then… guess what? …they will. Whining because you can’t get a better job because you don’t speak another language is no different than whining about not being able to get a job because the software you know is obsolete. Nut up and learn what you need to learn to get the job you want or stfu and keep bagging my groceries.
@Apolitical – don’t put words into my mouth, please. Your straw man argument will not work on me.
I never once said, “Hispanic groups insist that the U.S. learn Spanish to accommodate immigrants.” There ARE individual immigrants, whom I have personally come across living in the South, who expect Americans to know Spanish as a matter of course because they feel entitled to be able to speak in their native tongue throughout the English-speaking country. Please stop repeating the same tired retort when no one has even asserted the original argument.
@jb591333 – The situation with your boyfriend…that sucks. That’s the same as when people laugh about an inside joke in front of a third person and refuse to explain it to them.
@Osiris and clever name – Agreed. It’s easier to whine about a situation than to do something about it. I think this is especially an American attribute, but it goes for the whole world.
@ stan – get over yourself – your purposefully vague generalizations are the reason for my response.
“Now in America, it’s completely reversed, and English-speakers are told that knowing only English isn’t good enough.” Your words.
By whom? By the couple of Mexican individuals you met? Seriously?!? You should have made that clarification from the start, it would have put your comments in perspective (but that’s probably why you chose to omit it, huh)
You might have a legitimate point if you could find one Hispanic Org that was demanding what you claim, but we all know you can’t.
You know, i happen to know a couple of xtains who actually try to live a life of compassion. By no means am I ignorant enough to make a blanket statement that ‘xtains are compassionate’.
I live in the US and, quite frankly, this sickens me. At my elementary school there were a fair number of children who didn’t speak English. The school had an ESOL program set up to help them learn, not because “this is amerika, u speak english” but because the lessons were taught in English, and some teachers let those students write assignments in their native language instead of forcing them to use a language they didn’t fully understand.
English is NOT an easy language to learn, especially given the various different regional expressions and vocabulary which are not taught in traditional English courses. A friend of mine came to the South from China 14 years ago and occasionally still has problems understanding things. She speaks Chinese around her parents and other students and no one has a problem with that, but seeing the continued perpetration of the ignorant American stereotype is very disheartening.
Apolitical – My comment about English-speakers being told one language isn’t good enough was in reference to the general attitude that being unilingual isn’t good enough. Which I say I agree with. (OMG, we agree!) I had no intention of making a generalization at all. I’m not stupid enough to think all immigrants think they don’t have to learn Spanish. But I’m also not dense enough to think they’re all wonderful, charming people who immediately dig into learning English.
Again, I’m not looking for any Hispanic Org that demands English speakers learn Spanish. But if you’re asking honestly for reasons why some people get so worked up about this issue, I would guess the many schools who mandate Spanish as the SL and the issue with the bilingual voting ballot. Those are the only two I can think of. I don’t know, I’m not actually that worked up about it so….Seriously, what is your issue with me? I support people learning a second language.
My point from the beginning has been this: Both the immigrant and the American have a responsibility to learn a second language. Neither deserve such hatred and disdain from others when they fail. Compassion is always required when a situation involves a language barrier.
Highly disheartened. Not only have all ignored what the country proper was built upon–the unwanted–ALL of the “Give us your poor, your huddled masses…” not dependent on language, yet, moreover, I, nor my people invited you either. I agree, speak the Native Language. Aaniin chimookomaan. I am Ojibwe and am hardly able to contain my anticipation for the moment when one of the vociferous language phobic humans is able to speak to me in Ojibwemowin. Our over 10,000 years trumps your 1642 or 1776. Miigwetch.
@Viennese – Uhhh…I’m not the only one posting boring comments on here. Why pick me out of the crowd? I was only replying to someone else’s comment to me. I didn’t ask you or force you to read it. In fact, the comment was addressed to someone else. Moron. Don’t read it if you’re not interested in it.